Jennifer, Olivia, Oliver and Magnus Bernsdorff in a family photo from their Web site.
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Published: December 14, 2007
Updated: 12/14/2007 05:37 pm
When they met Thursday night, friends from church urged Jennifer Davis to go to the police, concerned about her ex-husband's violence toward her and his threats to keep their children from her.
The couple divorced in August, the father had custody of the boy and girl, and Davis had moved in with a woman with whom she had a romantic relationship.
On Friday, death touched them all.
Davis, 27, and her partner, Andrea Pisanello, 53, were killed in their Largo apartment. Davis' two children, 4-year-old Olivia Bernsdorff and 2-year-old Magnus Bernsdorff, were found dead at the family home in Clearwater. Their father, Pinellas County schoolteacher Oliver Bernsdorff, apparently shot himself to death while driving across the Sunshine Skyway.
Bernsdorff, 36, is suspected in the slayings of his wife and her partner, Largo police said, and in the deaths of his children, according to police in Clearwater.
Oliver Bernsdorff
As law enforcement officers worked the three death scenes, friends reacted with shock to news of the carnage.
"I had thought he had the potential to kill her, yes," said Jackie Brown, a church friend and volunteer abuse counselor. "I didn't think it had escalated to the point where he would act out at this point, no. It never occurred to me he would kill his own children, no."
"She was the sweetest, most loving woman in the world," said Diana Fraser, another friend of Davis' from Unitarian Universalists of Clearwater. "He just went out of his mind — he had to be. The separation was driving him out of his mind for him to do this."
Jennifer Davis
Pisanello and Davis recently moved in together, Fraser said. Bernsdorff, Davis and Pisanello had attended the church for several years and were deeply involved in its activities.
Pisanello has a young daughter from a previous relationship, and the girl is about the same age as the Bernsdorff children, Fraser said. With her marriage behind her, Davis was looking forward to her future.
"I think she was happy to be out and to have found somebody she could live with that understood her," Fraser said. "I hate to say it, but I feel sorry for him, too. It was too much and he couldn't handle it."
Here's an account of Friday's events from police reports and interviews:
In Largo: The bodies of Davis and Pisanello were found early Friday in an apartment at the Monterey Lakes complex, 7501 Ulmerton Road.
The investigation began with a report of shots fired about 6:45 a.m., Largo police Lt. Mike Loux said. Church member Brown said Pisanello's 4-year-old daughter was in the apartment when Davis and Pisanello were slain, and neighbors reported seeing authorities carrying the girl, with no apparent injuries, from the apartment after the shooting.
On the Sunshine Skyway: Just before 11 a.m., a state trooper saw a van swerving on the bridge and signaled for it to pull over on the Manatee County side of the bridge. The trooper followed the van as it rolled to a stop off the bridge in a stand of mangroves and, checking inside, found the driver dead.
Investigators had not positively identified the man, who died from a gunshot wound to the head, Manatee County sheriff's spokesman Dave Bristow said. A handgun was found in the van. The vehicle is registered to Bernsdorff.
In Clearwater: Police positively identified the two children as Bernsdorff's on Friday evening. They were found at Bernsdorff's address, 2068 Powderhorn Drive, Clearwater police said.
In August, Bernsdorff filed for divorce from his wife. They entered into a settlement that gave him primary custody of their children, court records show. Monday would have been the couple's eighth wedding anniversary. Thursday would have been Olivia's fifth birthday.
Initially, the divorce settlement called for Bernsdorff's wife, who was unemployed at the time, to pay $200 a month, but once she got a job with Hospice of Florida Suncoast, she was required to pay $800 a month as of October. By the end of the following month, she was $1,850.55 in arrears.
The divorce records show that Oliver Bernsdorff was heavily in debt, including $135,000 in student loans, $27,000 owed the Internal Revenue Service, a $33,000 private loan and roughly $50,000 in credit card debt. The home on 2068 Powderhorn Drive was in his wife's and his mother's names "due to liability issues," and he was "not financially able to refinance the mortgage," the records show.
At one point in their settlement, it stated that "there shall be no overnight visitation or contact'' between the children and "any new girlfriend/boyfriend" until the relationship had been established for six months. But then the wording was crossed out with a pen or pencil.
Andrea Pisanello
This was at least the second time Bernsdorff was divorced. In 1990, his then-wife, Crystal, divorced the Colombia native after two years of marriage. Her new husband said Friday that she would only say Bernsdorff was violent toward her and she thinks he is capable of killing.
Bernsdorff's mother, Jutta, declined to comment when reached by telephone. At an address on record as Pisanello's, on Cumberland Drive off Belcher Road in Largo, a woman who answered the door said she had been Pisanello's partner, but they recently separated. She would not elaborate or give her name.
Bernsdorff taught for the Pinellas County School District for 13 years, earning $41,000 a year. According to his Web page, Bernsdorff was an adult basic education and GED prep instructor with the Clearwater Adult Education Center and was studying for his doctorate in education.
Olivia Bernsdorff
Officials at the University of South Florida's St. Petersburg campus say he was scheduled to start teaching there as an adjunct instructor this spring.
Bernsdorff has a master's degree in education from the University of South Florida and a bachelor's degree in political science and criminal justice from Excelsior College in New York. He graduated in 1992 from the Broward Police Academy.
Bernsdorff designed two Web pages, one that serves as his résumé and another as a family page.
The family home page was updated May 7 and shows photos of Bernsdorff and his two children. A message at the top reads: "Our family is going through major changes right now ... please stay tuned."
Magnus Bernsdorff
The site also includes links to pages with more family photos and letters he wrote to his children before they were born. In one to his daughter, who was born in 2002, he wrote:
"I think also about the world you are coming into. I think of the pain and suffering abundant in these times. What gives me hope is the stories of the lives of those before you, who were born into hurricanes of turmoil. They not only rose out of the destruction, but they rebuilt the world around them, and tried and oft succeeded in making that world a better place."
To his son, who was born in 2005, he wrote:
"You come to a house of love. A circle of friends made up of decent and caring people. A smaller community of faith in humanity and thirst for knowledge, wisdom and peace, and a larger community that will need you to help make it better."
Pages designated for his wife contain only photos.
So many deaths leave a big gap in the lives of those left behind.
In a statement Friday, the hospice said, "We are deeply saddened by the deaths of our co-workers, Jennifer and Andrea. They will be greatly missed. Our organization values life and the strong bonds of friendship and family. We know firsthand how painful the loss of those we care about can be and we mourn the loss of two members of The Hospice Family."
Brown, the church friend and adviser, said she met with Davis in a group setting Thursday night and encouraged her to approach the victim's advocate for the Largo Police Department.
"Jen is a very naïve person, almost childlike," Brown said.
"She didn't realize she was with such a bad guy and was just beginning to realize how bad he was."
Bernsdorff, Brown said, was good with Olivia and Magnus. "He was really devoted to those children, especially the little girl. He was really good with the kids."
She added that Bernsdorff resented the way things were going without his wife.
"He saw her as just ruining his life, leaving him with the children to raise … 'Poor me, poor, pitiful me, and bad Jen,' you know, for running off."
Tribune reporter Carlos Moncada and News Channel 8 reporters Jackie Barron and Krista Klaus contributed to this story. Reporter Stephen Thompson can be reached at (727) 215-3582 or spthompson@tampatrib.com.
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Posted by ( JamesD ) on December 14, 2007 at 9:57 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
This has not been a very good holiday season. The body count in Florida alone is getting way too high. Not to mention what has happened in Nebraska and Colorado among the regular killings that go on in places like Detroit and DC.
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Posted by ( robertj1954 ) on December 14, 2007 at 10:42 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
People deal with stress in strange ways. I will never understand the choice of violence as an expression of their failure. It only serves to validates it.
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Posted by ( clementine2340 ) on December 14, 2007 at 11:20 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
jb71187, I no longer live in Pinellas county but when I did, I had neighbors that were doing/selling drugs and it was a nightmare living next door. I called the Sheriff's dept. more times than I can remember and all I got was a lot of empty promises. I finally sold my house and moved away. I heard later that one of the people that lived next door, died of a cocaine overdose. So, you can complain all you want and it probably won't get you anywhere.
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Posted by ( manditommybills ) on December 14, 2007 at 12:36 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Two children have been found murdered in a home in Clearwater.
The discovery of the children's bodies follows the murder of two women in a Largo apartment.
The Largo Police Department responded to a call at 6:45 a.m. of gunshots being fired at the Monterey Lakes Apartments on Ulmerton Road.
When officers arrived they found two dead women inside of an apartment. They had been shot.
Police say the childrens' deaths may be connected with the Largo murders. One child, a girl who is 4 or 5 years old, was found alive in the Largo apartment.
Meanwhile, police say a crash near the Sunshine Skyway Bridge may be connected with the murders.
A van veered off the road just south of the bridge and went into some mangroves Friday morning.
Police say the van belongs to a suspect in the Largo murders, Oliver Thomas Bernsdorff, 36. A man with a fatal self-inflicted gunshot wound was found in the van.
Police have not yet said if the man in the van was Bernsdorff.
SERIOUSLY!!??? I don't want to ever understand what makes people think that acts like these are justified or make sense!
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Posted by ( JamesD ) on December 14, 2007 at 12:50 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Calling the cops around here for people selling drugs is useless. Let's face facts. The cops are not interested in stopping crime around here. All they want to do is sit at intersections and wait for red light runners. Nice priorities guys. For the person that had drug dealers next door to them. I too felt your pain with dealing with the authorities when having a neighborhood drug emporium nearby. Empty promises along with a do nothing attitude is the norm.
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Posted by ( hglenn ) on December 14, 2007 at 12:50 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Now they are saying there are 2 children that were killed and a van that drove off the Skyway Bridge might be involved as well. I read this some where else. This is so sad.
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Posted by ( gina1108 ) on December 14, 2007 at 1:12 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Makes my skin crawl...
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Posted by ( canegirl85 ) on December 14, 2007 at 1:16 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
The only words I have are "Oh My God".
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Posted by ( laloquita23 ) on December 14, 2007 at 1:24 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
that is sooo sad...this world is crazy. i pray for that little girl that there are good family memebers for her to go with.
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Posted by ( clementine2340 ) on December 14, 2007 at 1:24 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
jb71187 and james d;
Not only did I call the sherriff, but code enforcement, every agency I could think of. What I ended up with was retaliation from the neighbors and more misery. Now I live in the country with NO neighbors and I'll happy as a clam.
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Posted by ( laloquita23 ) on December 14, 2007 at 1:31 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
oh my God....this is so sad and keeps getting worst. I can't believe it....This world is crazy.
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Posted by ( lolalove222 ) on December 14, 2007 at 1:40 p.m.
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Posted by ( SweetCrissy ) on December 14, 2007 at 2 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I was wondering the same thing LOLALOVE!
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Posted by ( colombiana823 ) on December 14, 2007 at 2:02 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
This actually hit a little bit too close to home. The victims lived directly right underneath me. They had just moved in there maybe about a month ago. This is all so tragic and unbelieveable. This is what I know. I was in the shower and around 6:45 am I heard 4-5 shots but then sounded to me like hammering. I also heard a baby crying and thought it was my 8 month old daughter. Iasked my husband if she was ok and when I got out asked him why she was crying and he said it wasn't her. We both heard the baby crying and the gunshots but dint' know what to make of it. He went outside where he could hear a little girl yelling mommy mommy.... The neighbor that lives next to them was also outside and asked if we heard that and said he thinks they were gunshots and he called the police. He also said he heard the two females in the house yelling before he heard the shots..He also told us that before all this happened he went to his porch and saw a man wandering and asked him what he needed. The man told him he was lost which was odd because he was in back of the apartments but didn't think nothing of it. Went inside and not even 4 minutes later we heard the shots... The cops arrived rather quick and then everything just hit us. We saw the little girl being taken out the house... She had only an overall on and I gave her one of my daughters blankets to keep her warm.. It was all so unreal and scary. The man also has a website of him and his family its:
http://bernsdorff.us
I'm still in shock and disbelief. My prayers are with the victims and their families.
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Posted by ( gizzmo97 ) on December 14, 2007 at 2:02 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
The Tampa bay area can give Detroit a run for first place this year.Heck,it might be safer in Dirt troit.
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Posted by ( dobefan ) on December 14, 2007 at 2:10 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I guess we can all see how these stories get misconstrued. People complain on here about how the Press doesn't give the whole story. Looks like some of the readers on here have to make up their own stories. If you like to do that sort of thing...write a fiction novel. You might be good at it!
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Posted by ( captjim333 ) on December 14, 2007 at 2:13 p.m.
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Posted by ( 91stormvet ) on December 14, 2007 at 2:33 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I truly feel sorry for the little kids. I will never understand how someone could kill a child much less there own children. As for drugs, someone you know and love is doing them right under your nose. Just need to know the signs of what to look for. I have done them in the past and now clean. You would be surprised (maybe not) the types of people who do them. It is not the dirtbag images of those portrayed on most television show. captjim alludes to S Tampa..It knows no boundries, from kids to professionals . One way to contol the drug use would be to stop it at the border Close the borders. Its a start.
May God Bless those two little Children
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Posted by ( midnight ) on December 14, 2007 at 2:42 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Sounds like someone needs to introduce you to a sedative Capt Jim.
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Posted by ( midnight ) on December 14, 2007 at 2:45 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
And spell check.
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Posted by ( Yankee ) on December 14, 2007 at 2:51 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
This is absolutey horrible. That was the most selfish thing a father could do. My condelences to the family of the deceased.
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Posted by ( Dixie ) on December 14, 2007 at 3:01 p.m.
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Posted by ( SweetCrissy ) on December 14, 2007 at 3:17 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Tampa is full of Nasty people, whether they're natives or transplants. The World is full of Nasty people. Look around, where U work, where U live or where U play. The sad part MOST don't notice how Nasty people are until they read it here or is directly affected (innocently). Most just contribute or condone. So all the "gene pool washing" comments, statistic postings of what race is or isn't the prison make up. Even all the blame of "where's the parents"? AL? or JESSE? isn't going to help OR make it better. Until we ALL make up OUR minds that we need to actually do something, come together and do something!! Until then this & more will continue....and get worse. Sad part U or I will probably be next & we would have wasted time, words & wisdom without doing anything. So keep posting & reading but remember U could be next.
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Posted by ( 91stormvet ) on December 14, 2007 at 3:18 p.m.
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Posted by ( tryingtofindlove ) on December 14, 2007 at 3:24 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Ummm, I know the troopers aren't necessarily environmentalists, but if those are mangroves the lunatic's vehicle is in, then I'm the pope. Those are nonnative, invasive Brazilian pepper brought here by yankees years and years ago....
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Posted by ( scotties ) on December 14, 2007 at 3:25 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
the family has a website:
http://bernsdorff.us
Beautiful family, intelligent father, he seems to be a very loving man that had to have snapped. The children are amazingly beautiful, I feel so terrible for the family.
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Posted by ( Anna ) on December 14, 2007 at 3:35 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
This article is about a man taking out his entire family, then himself...where is the drug issues coming from?? Sad, sad story.
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Posted by ( piddysmom ) on December 14, 2007 at 3:37 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
TO: colombiana823, do you know if the little girl found was one of his children. I know the family of the mother and am just heartbroken. But no one is talking.
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Posted by ( tellyouwhat ) on December 14, 2007 at 3:46 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
jb71187,
Do you carry your own soapbox with you or just use whatever ones are laying around? You should be a politician- you are very good at twisting a subject a bit to talk about whatever you want.
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Posted by ( tryingtofindlove ) on December 14, 2007 at 3:54 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I just looked at the sites mentioned in the article. Was he controlling or what? Seems to me like he dictated every move and her only release was the Web site. I may be wrong, he may have been the most loving guy. But, if he was, why take out four innocent human beings, two of whom were apparently his own children. I do hope the child who survived can overcome seeing her mother killed. Does anyone know if that child was their child or the other deceased lady's daughter? This is so horrible. I have had two divorces and never went through as much as they apparently did and one of the divorces was horrible. I pray all families can find comfort in God and the police can figure out what went wrong. Maybe if it is printed, then at least one other life can be saved... signs can be watched for...godspeed.
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Posted by ( reboot ) on December 14, 2007 at 3:58 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Thats alot of debt to carry
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Posted by ( colombiana823 ) on December 14, 2007 at 4:05 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
to piddysmom, To tell you the truth I'm not a 100% sure. I dont' know if the other lady she lived with had any kids. Looking at their personal web site and the old photos of the little girl it does resemble her. So it might have been his daughter but then I wonder who are the two kids they found in his house if it's not his son and daughter. But the little girl from the apartment was around 4-5 and from what I see so is his daughter so I don't know. Hopefully they will come out with more information soon.
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Posted by ( piddysmom ) on December 14, 2007 at 4:08 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
thank you.
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Posted by ( Stephunny510 ) on December 14, 2007 at 4:12 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
It's way to soon to comment on this story. He wrote in one of his letters that he knew his daughter was being brought into a hurricane of turmoil. Could it be that the everyday stresses that are imposed on hardworking, educated, people are becoming too much? Everyone has their hand in your pocket and it's extremely frustrating - the weak who can not overcome this frustration tend to snap. We can say whatever and that isn't going to bring those people back. He probably needed someone to really confide in and didn't know where to turn until it got too much for him. I am by no means condoning this coward's actions. I just think we as human beings needs to stop focusing on bigger and better baseball stadiums for non-effective teams, when there is a perfectly fine one sitting in the middle of the city. And spend our time and money on helping our community more. The people should be a priority!!!
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Posted by ( kiop ) on December 14, 2007 at 4:17 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
This story is confusing - it starts off saying police were searching for him as a suspect, then says a man was found on the side of the bridge was a suicide.. so was that him? Why are there conflicting statements in this story? If they are just updating the story, the writer should slow down a bit an re-read the whole thing to make sure he makes sense.. grrrrrrrr...
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Posted by ( ToTheBeachWeGo ) on December 14, 2007 at 4:35 p.m.
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Posted by ( ToTheBeachWeGo ) on December 14, 2007 at 4:40 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
kiop, it's not conflicting. The article has a list of what's known. The dad is a suspect and they think it's his body in the van. The police just haven't confirmed it yet.
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Posted by ( colombiana823 ) on December 14, 2007 at 4:41 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
to kiop... I'm almost 100% sure it is him because I was talking to a neighbor while the investigation was going on at the apartment and he told me he saw a white van peeling off. So it's a big coinsidence that it's one of the lady's ex husband, two kids are found dead at his house and he has a white van and a self inflicted gunshot. Also my neighbor heard his ex wife one of the victims arguing yesterday on the phone and heard her make a comment about it anything happens to me they will find it in my car.... what that meant I don't know. But this was premeditated murder....
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Posted by ( sabrina33540 ) on December 14, 2007 at 4:44 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
How sad! Why was this man so in debt and depressed to the point of murder/suicide? It's no wonder: Fl only paid this highly educated man $41k/year. He should have been paid a minimum of $90k/year. Considering all his responsibilities (2 young children, education expenses), a fair salary might have save 5 peoples' lives.
Shame on FL!
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Posted by ( Garbanzo ) on December 14, 2007 at 5:17 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Well it looks like at least the IRS, the Dept of Education and the credit card companies deserve that they get (nothing) after driving this poor, single father over the edge. Some people just can't take the pressure.
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Posted by ( roboadjuster ) on December 14, 2007 at 6:09 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Wow - No one ever made me use my credit cards or accept a job that paid too little, I think blaming the credit card companies, IRS, Dept of Education is pretty stupid.
The fact his wife had come out as gay, was probably more than his ego could take, considering he killed his ex and her lover.
I just cannot understand killing innocent children.
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Posted by ( cdamsl ) on December 14, 2007 at 6:18 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
this explains why there were all teh helicopters near my nrighborhood today..>The Pinellas Sherriffs dept and CW PD resued to commnet when I questioned all teh activity because I had chuildren that were not home at the time and the activity was a little un nerving. Soemone could have said something about the situation rather than just a case under investigation to let me know that it wasn't a person running loose I needed to worry about.
Sad that this had to happen..Similar situaion could have happened in my life but I got out adn I have teh Sherriff's dept programmed in my cell phone fo ra reason.................
THe child left behind will be the one that suffers the most.
I will pray for them all
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Posted by ( prvespa ) on December 14, 2007 at 6:29 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
They were at one time a happy, loving family. They ran an indoor play place for young children, but the rent went up and they sold the business. Last Christmas, they decided they were going to make major life changes, including more natural, whole foods, and home schooling. Oliver even wanted to sew clothing for the family. Then Jen realized she was a lesbian and their family life disentegrated. Oliver had to find childcare for the kids while he worked, he was not living and raising his kids in a way he believed in. It is a shame it came to this. There had to have been another way out.
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Posted by ( dobefan ) on December 14, 2007 at 7:13 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
casasierra...if you don't believe in this country, go elsewhere. Thats the great thing about this country: no one is held back from leaving it.
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Posted by ( kcsimpson ) on December 14, 2007 at 7:22 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
The saddest part of this terrible tragedy are the children. They had no choice in the whole ugle mess. No one has the right (not even parents) to take their children's lives. Why can't people live and act accordingly? The children are the greater loss.
As a husband, father and grandfather my heart aches.
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Posted by ( susieglow ) on December 14, 2007 at 8:21 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
This is a complete tragedy.
I am most upset though by the emails above.
I live down the street and this is a decent neighborhood.
There are may families who have lived here since the neighborhood was established, over thirty years ago.
We have professionals, law enforcement, blue collar, white collar and all other types of people in this small neighborhood and no one would have ever guessed this could happen.
If you don't know, don't speculate. You never know what people are going though internally and would never guess when they would reach their breaking point.
The bottom line is an hour ago, two little bodies were carried away from a home down my street, for what reason we don't know, but that is a fact, not inuendos about drug dealers, etc, that is the true tragedy.
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Posted by ( ToTheBeachWeGo ) on December 14, 2007 at 10:40 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
He, his exwife, and her partner all belonged to a church that supports homosexuality. So the wife decides she's a lesbian and leaves her husband and children to be with a woman from her church. So the husband is deeply in debt, his wife prefers women, he snaps and kills everybody. Hmmmm, I wonder how all of this would have played out if they had belonged to a church that teaches the Truth!
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Posted by ( dobefan ) on December 14, 2007 at 10:51 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
ToTheBeachWeGo...do you really think their place of worship would have mattered? His problems had nothing to do with his place of worship. By the way, which church does preach the truth? I thought they all did.
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Posted by ( awells618 ) on December 14, 2007 at 11:21 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Why couldn't he just leave the children alone. It makes me fill up with tears to read about this and even worse to go to thier website. A man that had alot going for him two beautiful children and going to school for his Phd. My prayers are with thier family this holiday season.
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Posted by ( AprilM ) on December 14, 2007 at 11:29 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
sabrina33540 - Are you saying he should have been paid more because he had a family to support? That is the reasoning businesses used to use years ago when men were paid more than women. . . you should get paid for your experience and how good of a job you do -- not for how many children you have.
I feel terrible for the poor children and women. Why can't these people (the man in this story, the Colorado killer, the Oregon killer. . . ) just kill themselves, instead of taking others with them?
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Posted by ( sherri77 ) on December 15, 2007 at 12:24 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
please people, don't harm the babies as they are innocent
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Posted by ( kgarcia607 ) on December 15, 2007 at 1:13 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Why didn't he kill himself first?
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Posted by ( jkantor ) on December 15, 2007 at 7:04 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
This isn't going to stop until society realizes that the ones who do the killing are victims too and are mentally ill. They need to be identified and given help before they become violent.
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Posted by ( 143Pookie ) on December 15, 2007 at 8:05 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I think that it says a lot about Florida when people are so scared to fight for custody of their children because they are gay - that a crazy father gets custody instead and kills the whole family. What a great country we live in.
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Posted by ( dobefan ) on December 15, 2007 at 8:09 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
casasierra...I deal with these things on a daily basis, so I do notice. I believe that people like yourself are the reason we are in crisis. You always preach hate toward others instead of uniting and doing something about it. Everyone complains; but, no one offers solutions. I am out there doing my part for this country and its people...what have you done lately to help?
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Posted by ( reader13 ) on December 15, 2007 at 9:04 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
A sad, sad tragedy. Makes one wonder though, if she had left him for another man would the result have been the same?
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Posted by ( joeysgirl4ever ) on December 15, 2007 at 9:27 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
This is such a selfish act on the fathers part. Rest in peace little angels.
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Posted by ( prvespa ) on December 15, 2007 at 9:44 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I wish people would stop wanting so much. Yeah, go to college if you can choose and stick with a major, and are going to get a decent income from it, but wait until you're out of debt to add an enclosed deck, jacuzzi, and pool. People in this country want too much and end up with more debt than they can live with - literally.
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Posted by ( lukespack ) on December 15, 2007 at 10:14 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
This man could not fathom that his ex-wife had a female lover and he was also terribly in debt. His thoughts were to kill his ex-wife and her lover thereby making his children orphans so he had to kill them too. He, being a coward at heart, then killed himself. The fact he had easy access to weapons made it all the easier. A horrendous tragedy for all his victims. Cowards always take the easy way out.
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Posted by ( kmspots ) on December 15, 2007 at 10:25 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
After visiting/reading his extensive website it is quite apparent he "snapped". A very well educated man, very much in love with his wife and doting father. Read and look at all pictures he has posted and this my friends is a tragedy in enormous proportion. My condolences to their familys which are extensive. So Very, Very sad.
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Posted by ( mrtnfn ) on December 15, 2007 at 11:49 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
HOW DO YOU KILL YOUR CHILDREN???
HOW DO YOU LOOK AT YOUR 2 AND 4 YEAR OLD BABIES AND KILL THEM???
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Posted by ( DCastillo ) on December 15, 2007 at 12:52 p.m.
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Posted by ( lauren ) on December 15, 2007 at 1:01 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Andrea was a unique human being who dedicated her life to helping others. She was happy and upbeat and kind. She loved her daugher, Annie Rose, more than anything in the world. She had a terrific sense of humor and didn't hesitate to speak her mind about things she believed in. A true social worker in every sense of the word! She spent over 30 years helping other people.... mentoring..... advocating..... teaching..... helping...... making the world a better place.
Andrea was my rock and my anchor. She helped keep me grounded when I was ready to explode. She taught me how to decifer my own personal biases and keep them out of the lives of my clients.. She helped me make sense of senseless situations. She made me see myself for who I was and what I believed in and how to turn that around and make it work for me when I was with my clients.
When I graduate Tueday night, you'll be there Andrea, watching me, smiling, and you'll be proud to take credit for the major role you played and the impact you made on my life. When I walk across the stage, your seat may be empty...but you will be there in spirit.
I am proud to have known you as well as I did and am thankful for the years we shared and the time you took to help me become the social worker I am today. I will make you proud and I know you will always be looking down on me smiling, giving me all the credit...but you, my dear Andrea, you helped make me who I am now. Your guidance, your "perfectly honest" constructive criticism, your pats on the back for a job well done, and your hugs when I would break down in tears...they will be with me forever.
I will cherish the time we shared and I have been blessed to know you. I will miss you forever. You are in a better place now, Andrea...a place of love and peace and beauty..you are with God...and you will watch over us all. You will never be forgotten! Rest in peace, my dear Andrea, Rest in peace.
This is who Andrea was. A very unique individual. An awesome social worker who dedicated her life to helping others.
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Posted by ( DreaCPA ) on December 15, 2007 at 2:15 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I am speechless. What a horrible and tragic event. God rest their soul's.
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Posted by ( Nichole ) on December 15, 2007 at 2:23 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
This is Oliver's fault. No one elses. To try and place blame on the mother or the church is preposterous. As one poster has already said, how do you look at your 4 year-old and 2 year-old child in the eyes and MURDER them??
That guy had a history of violence and issues. It's sick and sad and I will never understand killing a child, much less your own.
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Posted by ( timd ) on December 15, 2007 at 3:57 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I am the brother and uncle of the victims. First off I want to comment to ms. Brown who in the article says Oliver was devoted to the children. Parents who are devoted to their children don't kill them. Secondly, whoever thinks this is about drugs is flat out stupid. This is a case of an abusive, selfish, cowardly person who did something awful because he wasn't happy.
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Posted by ( jsarasota ) on December 15, 2007 at 7:48 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
What a selfish human being! Just can't take his own life, has to take all others with him!
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Posted by ( wstwd ) on December 15, 2007 at 9:28 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I read another article that says that he was married once before for two years. That ex stated that she could not even speak about Oliver. But her new husband said that the reason for that divorce was because he was beating the crap out of her. .......he must have done some horrible stuff if the lady can't even talk about it.
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Posted by ( KyGrace0226 ) on December 15, 2007 at 10:43 p.m.
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Posted by ( J_Merrill ) on December 15, 2007 at 11:34 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
My sincerest condolences to the families of all victims, may God rest their souls, I am so very saddened...
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Posted by ( mamkmm2 ) on December 16, 2007 at 8 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
There are a lot of single moms out there that come unraveled after a divorce. The difference is that most women have a wider support network, or at least some mental preparation, for the single parent existence.
The dad didn't. Additionally, some timelines that I've read makes it seem that the ex-wife found out she was a lesbian during an extra-marital sexual affair with the older woman mentioned prior to the divorce. The ex-wife basically left him with a mess that she helped create because she wanted to "find herself." Worse, this all took place in a church where all three people were members. The two women also then began working together.
Additionally, if a man had refused to pay child support as ordered, everyone would have been pointing it out and questioning his love for his children. But, because it was the ex-wife, she is getting off lightly. Who is mentioning the fact that she was already a couple of months in arrears for child support despite a court order.
I don't doubt the guy had some problems prior to this. He probably should have gotten counseling to help him deal with things. Wonder why his church didn't support him as they did the two women? Why haven't they stepped forward and said the man was offered counseling? They've been very supportive of the women according to other stories in print.
There are several people at fault here. More than one adult contributed to this horrible sequence of events. Extramarital affairs always have consequences.
That said, I am NOT cutting the man a break. But it is fairly obvious that he had some issues ... who isn't controlling these days? ... and had a hard time with the direction his "perfect" life was taking. He probably justified the death's of his children, like many mentally ill people that kill their children, in that he was saving them from further pain in this life.
Very, very sad ending to a terrible situation.
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Posted by ( seriously ) on December 17, 2007 at 12:57 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
How sad! Why was this man so in debt and depressed to the point of murder/suicide? It's no wonder: Fl only paid this highly educated man $41k/year. He should have been paid a minimum of $90k/year. Considering all his responsibilities (2 young children, education expenses), a fair salary might have save 5 peoples' lives.
Shame on FL!"
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You are kidding right? Most people live on what they can afford., Some people do whaterberr they want and then cry whrn their world gets turned upside down. The pictures on the website show the couple in exotic looking places..if they were charging $$ up to travel, and he snapped cuz of the debt...you can't really blame the state of Fl for his income. He knew what the salary was, no one was tricking him. These excuses coming out are amazing.
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Posted by ( maminha ) on December 17, 2007 at 10:48 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Hey mamkmm2, grow up and face the facts, the "father" is to blame ONLY.
Yes she might have left him but he KILLED them all after making their lives miserable for how long?
He is a coward and a killer, nice person to defend!
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Posted by ( KyGrace0226 ) on December 20, 2007 at 9:03 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
The Way We Were, Or Death, Man Said
By MIKE WELLS The Tampa Tribune
Published: Dec 16, 2007
Oliver Bernsdorff threatened to kill his ex-wife, their children and himself if he couldn't have their family back the way it used to be, Largo police Lt. Mike Loux said in a statement Saturday.
Bernsdorff, 36, made these statements, detectives say, within earshot of others before Friday. That's when authorities think he killed his ex-wife, Jennifer Davis, 27, and her partner, Andrea Pisanello, 53, at their apartment in Largo, as well as his and Davis' two small children at his house in Clearwater.
Loux said that Largo detectives attended autopsies Saturday for Davis and Pisanello, who were found dead of gunshot wounds at Monterey Lakes Apartments.
"It is believed that the firearm was a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun," Loux said. "The number of shots, where the victims were shot and where they were in the apartment is not going to be released."
After the bodies were discovered Friday, Clearwater police went to Bernsdorff's home to check on the children, whose bodies were found in a bedroom. Investigators won't say how the children died. Olivia Bernsdorff, 4, and Magnus Bernsdorff, 2, were positively identified through photos.
Davis' family, through the Largo Police Department, said Saturday that members are devastated.
"Words do not even begin to describe the pain and heartbreak we are experiencing," the statement said. Family members thanked all who had helped them get through their ordeal so far.
"We can't explain why this has happened, we can barely believe that it has happened."
Outside the Bernsdorff house on Powderhorn Drive in Clearwater, the neighborhood was quiet Saturday. Neighbors kept to themselves, declining to speak with a reporter or simply not answering their front doors.
"You don't see the kids out here playing; they're all inside today," said Tammy Pleasant, 41, who lives across the street.
She said many children on the street played at the Bernsdorff house, where toys, bicycles and tricycles were still in the front yard and driveway.
"That's why everybody's not saying much," Pleasant said. "Because they were always out [playing]."
Reporter Carlos Moncada contributed to this report. Reporter Mike Wells can be reached at mwells@tampatrib.com or (813) 259-7839.
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