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Without Walls Finances Face Senator's Scrutiny
Jason Behnken / Tribune
Randy and Paula White pray during a service at Without Walls International Church.
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Published: November 6, 2007
Updated: 11/06/2007 12:55 am
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TAMPA - The ranking member of the Senate Committee on Finance has launched an investigative review of possible misuse of donations made to Without Walls International Church and Paula White Ministries, along with five other Christian organizations.
Letters were faxed Monday by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, requesting ministry leaders respond by Dec. 6 to a wide range of questions regarding their personal and organizational finances. The senator expects full cooperation, he said in a statement released by his staff.
"It's about time some sanity is brought to these religious nonprofits," said Ole Anthony, founder of Trinity Foundation, a Dallas-based televangelist watchdog organization. "Some are committing outright fraud, and it's getting worse, not better, as time goes on."
Grassley, former chairman of the finance committee, said his requests for information came in response to complaints from the public and news coverage about practices at the six ministries. The allegations involve governing boards that aren't independent and allow generous salaries and housing allowances for church leaders, and amenities such as private jets and Rolls-Royces.
"I don't want to conclude that there's a problem, but I have an obligation to donors and taxpayers to find out more," he wrote. "People who donated should have their money spent as intended and in adherence with the tax code."
Besides the Whites, letters went to Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church of Grapevine, Texas; David and Joyce Meyer of Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton, Mo.; Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of Kenneth Copeland Ministries of Newark, Texas; Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church of Lithonia, Ga., and Creflo and Taffi Dollar of World Changers Church International of College Park, Ga.
In a five-page letter to Randy and Paula White, Grassley asked for detailed information on 28 areas of church and personal finances, mainly from the years 2004 to present. Some of those include:
•A detailed explanation of the compensation paid to the Whites, as well as cash and noncash gifts, housing allowances and personal use of assets.
•A detailed list of any expenses paid for by their church or ministries toward the purchases and monthly maintenance of their residences on Bayshore Boulevard in Tampa, and in New York, San Antonio and Malibu, Calif.
•Credit card statements for expenses paid by the Whites' tax-exempt entity, including a list of all expense account items such as clothing and cosmetic surgery.
•A list of all domestic and overseas bank accounts and investments belonging to their organizations.
•A list of all vehicles purchased, leased or maintained by their tax-exempt organizations.
•Copies of flight records of any aircraft leased or owned by their ministries, as well as flight itineraries for both the Whites.
•A copy of the bill of sale, type of payment used and an explanation of the reported tax-exempt purchase of a Bentley convertible as a gift for Bishop T.D. Jakes.
•A detailed accounting of $871,000 worth of items reportedly sold to the church since 2005 by two of the private businesses owned by the Whites, and an explanation as to who determined that the church would purchase these items.
•An explanation of who determines how the funds of Without Walls and Paula White Ministries are spent, copies of all board minutes and whether any of the decisions, both operational and financial, are subject to oversight by an elected or appointed body.
Randy and Paula White, who founded Without Walls in 1991 and divorced this year, reacted Monday to the Grassley letter in a statement released by their public relations firm, Tucker/Hall. Representatives from the other ministries did not respond to a request for comment.
Whites Call Letter 'Unusual'
The Whites said they were initially notified of the letter by a reporter, and found it peculiar that the media learned of it before they did.
"We're assuming it's authentic - but we find it unusual, since the IRS has separate powers to investigate religious organizations if they think it's necessary," the statement said. "So we find it odd that the IRS did not initiate this investigation. It also seems odd that they have asked about areas that have no relationship to the operation of the church."
The Whites said they could not comment further because they had just received the letter and their lawyers had not finished reviewing it.
This year, The Tampa Tribune detailed problems at Without Walls, one of the largest independent nondenominational churches in the nation. Detractors said the Whites borrowed $170,000 from an elderly widow and failed to keep promises to care for her or pay it back. A young woman who said she was promised a house for winning a church essay contest did not get it, though the church repeatedly publicized the award ceremony.
The Whites have since repaid the widow and secured a house for the young woman. After inquiries from the Tribune, the church published an audit of its 2005 and 2006 finances on its Web site. It states that the church took in $39.9 million in 2006 and itemizes some of its spending. It does not break down how much was spent on specific ministries or on salaries for its top staff.
That a U.S. senator is asking about finances, and not the IRS, doesn't surprise Anthony, whose organization has provided information to the Finance Committee for more than two years.
"You've got approximately 1.5 million nonprofit organizations in America, and 30,000 starting up each year," he said. "The government can't possibly keep up with that workload. But it's apparent that media coverage isn't enough to expose this. If anything is going to change, it takes a drastic step like this."
'He's Picking A Fight'
Kenneth Behr, president of the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability, an accreditation agency for Christian ministries, called the inquiry "a very big deal." He said he is not aware of a high-ranking lawmaker ever undertaking such an extensive investigation into so many churches.
"I think he's picking a fight," Behr said. "He is not just asking them to come in and talk, he is asking them for everything."
And if they don't tell all, he predicted, Grassley could ask the IRS to step in.
"An IRS audit is not pleasant," said the former Ford Motor Co. executive. "I wouldn't wish it on my enemy."
Gloria Sutton, an IRS spokeswoman in Jacksonville, would not comment on Grassley's letters or how the agency might respond. She could not say how many churches the IRS has audited in recent years.
The churches probably can't take refuge in laws governing the separation of church and state. Religious organizations are subject to all sorts of government regulations, said Ayesha N. Khan, legal director for Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
If the churches don't respond, or don't respond in full, Grassley could push for a hearing before the Senate Finance Committee.
Ministries Teach Prosperity Gospel
Rodney Pitzer, of a North Carolina-based donor advocacy organization called Ministrywatch.com, said some ministries are purposefully designed to make their leaders wealthy. He said he hopes the Senate inquiry will encourage religious organizations to "start cleaning house."
"Some of these nonprofits really know how to work the system," he said. "They may be in compliance with the law, but they're certainly not in compliance with the heart and the spirit of the law."
The pressure to change the laws will have to come from donors rather than the government, said Ted Olsen, managing editor for news and online journalism at Christianity Today.
But the ministries targeted by Grassley are in a subgroup of the Christian evangelical movement that Olsen calls the "health-and-wealth crowd." They preach prosperity Gospel, a teaching that promises material rewards for those who give to the church.
"There's little fear of donor backlash when your donors see opulence as a sign of God's blessing," he said.
Even a national Christian publication that has given favorable coverage to ministries such as Without Walls is taking a harder look.
Lee Grady, editor of Charisma magazine, is now calling for financial reform in Christian evangelical circles. He is bothered that some ministries are giving "all of us a bad name because money has been misused."
"This is an awkward time for the church," Grady said. "I believe God is putting his finger on some problems and demanding that we set our house in order. If we don't correct these problems ourselves, then the government may have to step in and do it. And that will be unfortunate."
Should Churches Have To Answer The Government's Questions?
Reporter Michelle Bearden can be reached at (813) 259-7613 or mbearden@tampatrib.com. Reporter Baird Helgeson can be reached at (813) 259-7668 or bhelgeson@tampatrib.com.
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Religion is big business. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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Then why don't you "give" to a worthwhile charity- you know starving children, aspca, medical resarch ect..? If you honestly think you are "giving" to a good cause then you are brainwashed.
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Wow. This is a shocker, but then again, it doesn't shock me at all. I've had a lot of relatives and people I am familiar with who moved from that church for that exact reason...kind of peculiar...What's the world coming to...now the church is a commercial business?..
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Do'oh, let the money shell games begin....
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I cannot wait to see the outcome of this investigation. As a christian I have always questioned these big money-asking and making organizations. I believe some other ones should be questioned too. I think our jaws will drop when we see the details that will show up. Cosmetic surgeries, clothing, cars, vacation homes among the examples.
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Shouldn't the main purpose of church be to influence people to do good and that is what you will be rewarded for, not how much money you give to them? I understand churches need donations to operate, but come on, these people don't need private jets & mansions. Sickening....
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Lord Jesus---please protect me.
From your followers.
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99% of pastors like this give the rest a bad name.
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Definition of Christian: a person who exemplifies in his or her life the teachings of Christ.
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It is quite obvious, that the time time has come that churches and all religious groups be taxed like the rest of us. If they can prove that they are indeed non-profit, then they shouldn't have to pay the tax. The burden must rely on them, not us to prove why it is ok to purchase Rolls Royce's and private jets on "Non-Profit" organizational funds. PERIOD. Nothing to argue here.
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Is this The Tampa Tribune or The Tampa Tribunal?
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Christian radio isn't going to criticize these people.
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Posted by ( signit4bes ) on November 7, 2007 at 11:53 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
All those followers.....all that money. It makes me a believer...that people are cattle and not freethinkers. Who do we really have to blame? The Whites or those who enabled/donated?
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People will cheat on their IRS to save a few bucks, but freely hand over their savings to these charlatans, how sad.
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As long as people are so desperate that they will believe in 'speaking in tongues', people like Paula White will take their money.
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And to the church going people on here quoting scriptures and asking us to forgive these people and to try & believe in what they're doing, you all are the type of believers that helped make the White's millionaires & in the end they could care less about you or your problems.
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Posted by ( wmgerald518 ) on November 8, 2007 at 8:26 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I think many of these high rolling "religious leaders" believe they have God's blessing based on if he didn't wamt their congregations sheared he would not have made them sheep.
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Posted by ( Chrispy0515 ) on November 8, 2007 at 3:36 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Maybe it's best to just tithe a few dollars on Sunday(like maybe $5-$10)that way you're not losing your shirt, and not allowing the pastor to buy a few $100 shirts to look "fabulous" on the pulpit. But at Without Walls and a few other "Hollywood style" churches, tithing like that will get you kicked out and scolded by God - lol.
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One word for these people -- JAILTIME
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Posted by ( Chrispy0515 ) on November 11, 2007 at 11:51 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Sorry Unbrainwashed, but you babbled on for sooooooooo long that you lost me and probably several others after the first 20 paragraphs(keep it short & sweet if you can y'all).
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Posted by ( UNBRAINWASHED ) on November 14, 2007 at 3:06 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Terrible when there is a book: Breaking Christians Curses by Dennis Cramer-most christians get bludgeoned by their leadership. You will see/hear anything about true Apostolic/Prophetic (except what they deem). Arthur Katz www.benisrael.org/com-on line for free and Leonard Ravenhill would write about them best!
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Posted by ( Chrispy0515 ) on November 15, 2007 at 10:02 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
No offense UnBrainwashed but you are one weird dude, and you both crack me up laughing & scare me at the same time.
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Posted by ( UNBRAINWASHED ) on December 21, 2007 at 10:45 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I've seen a video where someone is undercover and it's regarding a major ministry and they're doing drugs in the boardroom and two of his staff have died of drug overdoses and he's still in business. Anyone can buy the DVD (I'll get the email address for next time-David Wegner or Wegener in Costa Mesa i'll see if I can find address/phone). This crook/charlatan is still in business (he wasn't doing the drugs but he was in the room when his staff was and one of them is on Christian TV-people don't question they just give).
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Posted by ( AD12603 ) on January 7, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
My mother taught me my first lesson on tithing. You give because God has called you to give. What they do with the money will go with them to heaven.
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Posted by ( Gazelam ) on May 27, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
The Key is in the reason for giving:and God does not declare a properous giver wrong. He rewards giving on his terms:
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly;
and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly,
or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you;
that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
2 Cor 9:6-8 KJV
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