Posted by ( kmspots ) on April 6, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

Our future leaders.....in prison!

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Posted by ( McX ) on April 6, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

What is it about Polk County? The water, the reclaimed land, Radon gas, or is everyone drinking the same cool aid?

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Posted by ( TampaGirl4Ever ) on April 6, 2008 at 12:48 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

What nice girls. Sure wish they were my daughters. What lovely women they are going to turn out to be. Why can't I be their friend, I want to be their friend.

Good job parents, you did an excellent job raising these brilliant timid little sweethearts. Amazing - they are going to go far in life.

Outrageous!!!

Remove Myspace and the like from the internet. All the adults on myspace enable myspace and whatever happens on that site. I am going on 50, and I cannot understand the need or reason for myspace.

Get rid of the website altogether, the adults that go on their don't need it, and it repeatedly gives teenagers the vehicle to hurt others, whether with words, video, or with that horrible RAP Crap (music).

Let's see what their punishments will be - probably 6 months probation in the care of the same parents who are not watching them in the 1st place. They will be able to get right back on the computer and laugh, joke tell everyone about what just happened.

These parents and teenagers should get citizen of the year awards.

Poor girl,

YUCK!!!

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Posted by ( Alan2 ) on April 6, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

That these kids had no empathy for the victim is just another reason I am losing faith in humanity. If we can't learn to treat each other with respect, I fear our time on this earth will be limited. If these cruel kids are a sample of the future of the mankind, it's not a bright future at all.

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Posted by ( Justin_Case ) on April 6, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

I am literally sick to my stomach.

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Posted by ( markyn11 ) on April 6, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

If a judge gives these little juvenile delinquents probation thats an open invitation to other kids to do the same thing, what probation I can do that standing on my head thats their mentality. They need to make an example out of them over thar in hick ville and maybe other little brats like them will take notice.

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Posted by ( johnnyk ) on April 6, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

You can thank these gangster rap bastards for introducing their corrupt culture to your kids. That is were they are learning this crap. Get with it parents of teens!

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Posted by ( biggulp ) on April 6, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

why youtube and myspace need to report all these videos being posted to the local police and or fbi.so who ever post them can spend a few years in pirson

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Posted by ( dbrown34550 ) on April 6, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

It is this hip-hop, "gangsta", "in-the-hood", "thug". "pimpin'", "cap in your a__", generation that glorifies senseless actions and violence like this. The behaviors and values that MTV and its like glorify. This mentality meanders into the schools and our youth, where it is tolerated, if not promoted. We'll move into split households or even households that don't know the father(s). When there is an effective family, the public schools and their agenda essentially neuter the ability of the family to teach and enforce its values. We have allowed this to happen to ourselves by not standing up for what is right, and we all know what is right or wrong. Sometimes it's uncomortable and takes effort to do the right thing.

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Posted by ( nprvoice ) on April 6, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

getting attention is today's currency and people are starving for attention

anything to notice ME...and I mean ANYTHING

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Posted by ( GotchaNow ) on April 6, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

This poor girl suffered a brutal beating and these teenagers and the look-outs all need to be delivered into hard time and not get off on probation. This is senseless, ignorant, and worthless pain and suffering, if the judicial system fails this girl...I will realize loud and clear from our local county government everything from this point on is a free for all and citizens will have to take the care of themselve because the people in charge are turning their heads on crime. Judges are caught on tape as DUI's and get off scott free, Cops kill young kids and get suspended without time, Jailers turn wheeler-chair persons on to the floor and last but not least parents are giving up...what role models these kids have to look up to nowadays!
SO PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING HERE (COURTS) BEFORE THIS WILL BECOME THE NEXT NEW THING TO GET AWAY WITH IN OUR SOCIETY.

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Posted by ( sanders ) on April 6, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

In Polk County, what a surprise.

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Posted by ( godzilla ) on April 6, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

Lovely. Throw them all in prison for 10 years

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Posted by ( McX ) on April 6, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

It is not fair to say this only happens here in Florida, although we do seem to attract our fair share, after all Massachusetts does have John Kerry, and Ted Kennedy.:)~

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Posted by ( stopTHEinsanity77 ) on April 6, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

My heart goes out to Victoria Lindsay, the victim. I pray she will have a painless recovery and that God gives her strength to get through this horrible situation. I blame the parents mostly all of the teens involved. I'm shocked that not one out of the 8 involved had the morals to say in their head "this isn't right," and either try to stop it or walk away from it and get help. What a horrible horrible thing. I think it is a little silly to put blame on youtube and myspace. They really have nothing to do with it. Before those venues existed people were beating the tar out of people. When I was in high school I remember a copy of photo's being passed around of a girl being sexually assaulted, so should we blame Kodak? come on! The blame falls on the parents who don't teach their kids moral values, who don't enforce consequences, and who let their children think they are adults and capable of making decisions. What was Shumaker's roll? I guess I missed that some how.

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Posted by ( Hairs ) on April 6, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

Let me see if I have this straight:
This happened in Florida, so its Florida's fault. Even though there are countless examples of equally appalling behavior in ever state.
No, it is apparently the fault of Rap music and Gangsta's, even though there is nothing in the story about Rap, and Im personally aware that country music is very popular in Polk County, and everyone knows there was never any violence before Rap came along.
No, it is Polk County's fault because a story like this never happens in Hillsborough or Pinellas; unless it's Pinellas Park or Valrico.
I'm really confused because I thought that the 8 kids who were arrested had something to do with this. Maybe it was their fault. But no, it must have been their parents because all parents have complete control of their children at all times and teach them right from wrong and the kids who are taught that always behave. Maybe we should look into why the victim was there in the first place, because something clearly is not kosher. Maybe we can find a reason to blame her, because after all, what kind of kid could she be to hang out with these little thuggies in the first place. And how in the world do we fit this into the neat little race/ethnicity/ghetto/trailer trash boxes we usually deal in? My oh my, this one may take some thought. Just remember, it is very very important to find someone to blame besides the people who did it

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Posted by ( sgtmajjtrusmc30 ) on April 6, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

INSTEAD OF WISE "A" COMMENTS AND DEROGATORY REMARKS ABOUT POLK COUNTY AND FLORIDA - START BEING PARENTS AND ROLL MODELS. THESE CHILDREN DID NOT JUST ALL OF THE SUDDEN TURN BAD. THERE IS MORE TO THIS THAN JUST THIS INCIDENT. WHY ARE THE POLK COUNTY JAILS SO CROWED? BECAUSE OF STUPID, IRRESPONSIBLE AND PREVENTABLE ACTS LIKE THIS. WE CAN NOT BE WITH OUR CHILDREN 24/7. HOWEVER, IF THEY ARE RAISED WITH CHRISTIAN MORALS, RESPECT OF YOUR FELLOW MAN AND GOOD OLD FASHIONED DISCIPLINE AND PARENTING, THEY WOULD NOT IN MOST CASES EVEN CONSIDER SUCH AN ACT. WE DON'T HAVE PARENTS ANY MORE - WE HAVE "PALS" AND "BUDDIES" IN MANY CASES. THESE TYPES OF INCIDENTS CAN BE LIMITED AND JUST MAYBE, WE CAN START TO SEE A REDUCTION IN OUR JAIL POPULATION. GOD HELP US.
SEMPER FI!

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Posted by ( todu385 ) on April 6, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

Funny but Im an older guy that watches Utube quite often and there are a lot of good positive videos there as well as trash. It all depends on what you look up on there. Me I prefer the gospel music and an old high school friend from the middle ages and his country band. And at first I thought everything on Utube was trash. Thank you Utube for the ability to watch the Gaither Vocal band, Signature Sound and so many others. I can watch it for hours and never see a bit of trash.

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Posted by ( 91stormvet ) on April 6, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

Like DarthSilverstein I blame the writers strike as well. Jack Baurer could have saved the day if written into this polk county beat down!

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Posted by ( civilization ) on April 6, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

Poor parenting... nothing more, nothing less. It's a total lack of respect. Teach them RESPECT. Teach them to respect adults. Teach them to respect each other. Teach them respect for property. Teach them to respect the environment. Disciipline them appropriately, when they are disrespectful... but most of all... you must do it by example! If you are not respectful, they won't be respectful.

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Posted by ( twitterpated ) on April 6, 2008 at 7 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

If they do go to jail, these girls will be treated to the same courtesy they showed their victim. The motivation for the attacks will not, however, be fame and infamy, but rather, personal satisfaction... and most likely, worse. Justice? yes, perhaps, but will they learn that hard lesson, or will they wonder why this is happening to them -- "Hell, it was just a Video!"

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Posted by ( angryamerican ) on April 6, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

If I am not mistaken there was an incident just like this last year and for some reason I think it was up around Hernando, not sure. But the young lady did not get off light. Every one involved in this should be treated in the same way.

My parents spanked me (but did not abuse me), I spanked my children (but did not abuse them), and I believe you can spank children now as long as you do not beat them. The thing that I am questioning is why did they do it? There does not appear to be a reason given, and the girl was there because she was having problems at home. She tried to get away from them by going into her bedroom. Something is not being told. This is not a Florida, Polk County, parent issue. This is an issue that needs further investigation.

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Posted by ( nprvoice ) on April 6, 2008 at 7:35 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

angryamerican...I agree that spanking is okay...never in anger...only on the bottom...never more than a gesture...and followed by a talk and a hug...and we're only talking about small children being spanked...after that and you missed the boat

the problem is: would you trust SOME parents today to spank?

for it to work we'd have to start spanking parents because MANY parents today would use it as an excuse to vent their frustrations with the world and their life

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Posted by ( barney ) on April 6, 2008 at 7:56 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

Here's a blurb from April Cooper's Myspace page, apparently written when she was twelve:
"ummmm lets see i do not like preps im more of the lowner type i dont really care what someone thinks of me and if they dont like me then oh well!! if someone ticks me off the least bit i get really mad and i feel like beeting the crap out of them!!"

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Posted by ( NoleGuyFL ) on April 6, 2008 at 8:01 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

Bottom line is such behavior begins at home. They're all old enough to know right from wrong. We see which one they chose. The parents of the juveniles also should be charged.

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Posted by ( picogator ) on April 6, 2008 at 8:15 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

As I have written before, some people should not have children or be parents. Parenting skills were sadly lacking in the situation of these hoods; punish all involved, including the parents, and do so severely.

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Posted by ( drdneast ) on April 6, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

Go to a bar or and public meeting place. Most of the girls talk like sailors on leave and act like sluts. guess this is being to equal to boys when you adopt the worst of their behavior. All of the girls will probably get suspended sentences and they will send the boys away for ten years. We now live in a matriarichal society where men have been emasculated.

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Posted by ( boilstheclown ) on April 6, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

the one girl claims she works at wing house that was beaten up, hmm lets see how it all unfolds on this one a WING HOUSE HOOCHIE getting beat up how nice did she break a nail also

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Posted by ( brosandi ) on April 6, 2008 at 9:01 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

The police department should handcuff each kid that beat her and let Lindsay have a half-hour to punch and kick to her heart's content. I just can't get over the fact that nobody takes responsibility for their own actions anymore. Just because someone calls you a name or gives you the finger is no reason or excuse to beat them senseless. A little of their own medicine is what they need. Otherwise, it will continue to escalate until it becomes murder. And God knows our jails are already over-full (probably with these kids' parents).

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Posted by ( TampaGirl4Ever ) on April 6, 2008 at 9:26 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

adults on myspace equals desparate

how immature

get a life people - no one needs myspace, go out and meet people in person and show them the REAL you, not some made up story that you create like some teenager.

YoungMoneyy92 - just because that girl ran her mouth as you so eloquently state - is NO reason to beat her up, for 30 minutes and catch it all on video. Little girls gone wild, instead of fighting, open up a book. Learn to read. Sounds like you are very immature to think this is okay.

How sad I am for you.

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Posted by ( Alan2 ) on April 6, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

YoungMoneyy92:

"yall need to learn your spelling and grammar"

"So calling all eight of these teens cold and bad and whatever else your pea brain can think of is not right by no means"

I hope that your language skills and the misbehavior of these children are not typical of Polk County, as some who have posted here seem to suggest. If it were so, it would have to be one of the most uncouth and uneducated places in the state. I'm sure you can do a better job of representing yourselves. Maybe you could start by capitalizing the first word of each sentence when you write something.

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Posted by ( BUGSY ) on April 6, 2008 at 9:51 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

I'll just bet that Young Money 92 is the type to board a school bus and smack the crap out of any kid that calls their kid names!

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Posted by ( denmar ) on April 6, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

Yeah, it's just like parents blaming fast food places SUPERSIZING their meals for their childrens' obesity. Like they have a gun to your head to buy their products in large quantities. It's called ADVERTISING, people. Either you buy into it, or you don't. You DO have a choice.

Always gotta blame someone else, right?

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Posted by ( TampaGirl4Ever ) on April 6, 2008 at 11:07 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

I am on this blog because I am catching up on the local news, working on the internet, and keeping in touch with family and friends thru email. Not myspace.

If you use myspace for that, wonderful, I know and have heard of many (MANY) adults who use it to meet people and I believe that is when the trouble begins, I mean look at the news - listen to all the myspace horrors. Watch to catch a predator, where do you think the pigs are finding our young people (they are not only in the schools). I think that if you are mature and use it correctly, I am all for it. But unfortunately, like we all know, it is used mostly for negative reasons. You cannot argue that fact. But once again, using myspace along with the bad parents is what the problem is. Under 18 should be watched at all times on the internet. Watch what they are posting, saying, writing, and who is writing, posting, and talking to them. Of course, like everything else in the world, the bad has made a venue look bad. I would not allow my child to use myspace. I am not closed minded, I am just real and I know what is happening to this world of internet. Myspace does not care who or what is posted, they are raking in their money from their sponsors and they do not care what happens to our children. That is obvious. After watching to catch a predator, if it were my website, I would do everything I could to make it safer and not allow those fight videos to be posted in the first place. But they do allow it, and the kids are posting them, they are fighting just to put it on myspace and utube. It is disgusting. when I was a teenager, I was worrying about what makeup to wear or what boy I had a crush on - not thinking up ways to beat someone up, I was not thinking about what violent act I could do next..

maybe some use it wisely - but the majority of the kids (teenagers) do not use it wisely, am I the only one that sees that....

Maybe me just wanting everyone safe is wrong, I don't know...

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Posted by ( stopTHEinsanity77 ) on April 6, 2008 at 11:52 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

Tampagirl4ever, I see your point to an extent about MYspace and how kids are getting harmed from it. However, I do have to point out, if the parents were parenting, the kids would be monitored. I know several parents who have teens that use this, but they know their passwords and are able to and do access it all the time. They monitor it because they are good parents. I use MYspace as well. I have rekindled old friendships and found people I have lost touch that I thought I would never see or hear from again. It’s actually quite a neat website that when used correctly can be used for good things. My nephew went missing for over two years. We created a MYspace account on his behalf, and guess what, we found him, through the account. Several private detectives reached out to us and helped. In creating the account we found that many missing children have sites. I think it is a wonderful way to spread the word and the pictures. I’m not saying your opinion is wrong, I agree kids can get hurt when they are not monitored. I too watch that TV show “to catch a predator,” and it is heart breaking on so many levels. I think all of the people blogging including you and myself agree on the most important part, children should be monitored. Children need adults to teach them and protect them. That is the most important issue in this article, all of the kids involved including the victim needed their parents to be there for them and parent. (BTW, I wrote you a note on the Rome Ave. story, it was an apology. Hope you got it.)

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Posted by ( masterzvoice ) on April 7, 2008 at 12:23 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

So while our legal system dishes out 20 year plus jail sentences for men who have consensual sex with young women under 18, we will see NOTHING happen to these brutal animals who assaulted and possibly injured her for life.

At the most, they will get probation and that too will be unenforced.

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Posted by ( TampaGirl4Ever ) on April 7, 2008 at 1:27 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

I got your note stopTHEinsanity77

on this subject - well said. All I want is for parents to do their jobs and myspace would be a perfect venue for like you said finding old friends, etc.

I totally agree the monitoring starts IN THE HOME. Unfortunately, parents are not monitoring always. Your friends that do watch and access sound like great parents, hopefully their efforts will make their kids live long and healthy safe lives. Glad to hear you found your nephew. That is the stuff myspace should be used for. Not the preverts and the fight videos. We have so much ignorance in our world, people making such bad choices...I wish leave it to beaver era would come back, but that is not being realistic.

take care and keep on watching!!!

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Posted by ( Eureka ) on April 7, 2008 at 5:13 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

why are you people going back and forth about things that really don't matter and about things YOU WILL NEVER change and the people in these neighborhoods WILL NEVER change, they like living like thugs, they like living off the system, not just blacks, white people, hispanic (I am hispanic), all people all races, all colors, this thug issue has really taken off and it is ALL our faults for allowing it to continue in the first place, I am from and live in Polk County, I even include the name Polk County in my email address, I love Polk County BUT - fact is it is embarassing what it has become, all the crack mothers, crack heads, crack dealers, crack corners have ruined my lovely area...I am a 3rd generation from polk county, and I am sure my grandparents did not expect it to turn out this way when they were part of the original history of polk county, ybor city and the city of tampa.

these thugs keep getting slapped on the wrist for their crimes and they just get out and do the crimes over and over and over again....

They are not getting it, neither are the judges getting it..Keep them in prison/jail for longer periods of time and maybe just maybe they will learn...I believe if you commit one violent crime, that should be it for your freedom...build bigger jails, without air conditioning, make them learn something while they are serving time, teach them that how they were raised with violence and guns is not the way society wants them to be - it is disgusting what has happened to Polk county

I challenge all the thugs once again to eat their own guns,

I challenge the gun makers to STOP producing guns, and

I challenge the crack head mothers to STOP producing more and more thugs...

YUCK!!!

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Posted by ( jac ) on April 7, 2008 at 5:58 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

You got to love it. Parenting in the 2000's or not... Employers are using these sites on whether to hire them. It is a shame that this will probably ruin their future to get a descent job. Parents need to wake up evenually.

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Posted by ( bnav ) on April 7, 2008 at 6:18 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

how about beating the parents. Maybe we can kick some parenting skills into them. I love the one father with the immediate " My son wast there, clear his name..." yeah right, did the police just select him at random...wake up jackhole !

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Posted by ( sneither ) on April 7, 2008 at 6:55 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

Kids have always been mean to
each other but with time it's
just getting worse...I do believe
it's because there is 'no fear'
in the eyes of the kids (not to
mention adults too)...somehow
we need to get back some of the
parenting of yesteryear! Teach
the kids respect and give them
a pat on the tush as needed!

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Posted by ( davidkc ) on April 7, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

The fact that the parents are sticking up for these hoodlums tells you what the problem is right there.

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Posted by ( jabbawakeez ) on April 7, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

Dang I wish these were my children. What lovely children they're gonna turn out to be. I wonder if there's a degree for being criminals. I bet their parents don't even care about what's going on in the first place. In matter of fact, what's their myspace? I wanna see the video! =]

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Posted by ( 6ftunder ) on April 7, 2008 at 9 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

To me, this is attempted murder. The fact that she has permanent damage is a whole other reason to push for the highest possible punishment. These girls and the boys that stood watch should all go to adult prison where they should and would suffer extreme physical pain. I hope they do. I hope they suffer. If the judges don't start making an example out of these future murderers of America, that's exactly what they'll become. And if some of these pieces of garbage should die in prison, too bad. This crime is atrocious.

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Posted by ( astronerd37 ) on April 7, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

MCX, don't forget Lizzy Borden!

Prohibition didn't work and neither will outlawing my space or you tube.

Minette, where did you move to, Utopia?

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Posted by ( ron ) on April 7, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

Charlie wrote>
The victim had social problems with her parents; had social problems with other kids, too. Is it possible, just possible, that maybe this girl had a good whooping coming to her? Maybe this girl was an example of the trash of society, and society decided to kick it to the curb
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You may be correct, though I think that society (the courts) may kick these teens to somehwere else beside the curb. I will not be suprised if they are charged as adults and prison time is in their future. Lets just see how this ends.

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Posted by ( wrongtalker ) on April 7, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

Attempts to "justify" this kind of violence are just as inexcusable as the violence itself. Those arrested need to be charged as adults and their names be made public; they have forfeited any chance for leniency as juveniles.

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Posted by ( westwardho ) on April 7, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

I agree with those that put the blame on the perpetrators. Yes, good or bad parenting can influence, but I've always agreed with the old saying, "Shame on my parents for what I was, but shame on me if I choose to stay that way." Otherwise, take responsibility for your own actions kids!

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Posted by ( SaveFerris ) on April 7, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

I can't wait to have children! I'll bring them into the world then a group of stellar young ladies like this can beat the crap out of them. I have so much hope for the future! This isn't an isolated occurance, try reading the BBC News online, this is happening all over the world. Whatever happened to involved parenting?

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Posted by ( bobbi78 ) on April 7, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

I know the story from the beginning so here it goes...Victim Lindsay and her sister started with the harrassment last year against one of the jailed girls leaving messages that they would cause serious bodily harm to her etc. school was involved, parents were involved. Lindsay's sister has a battery charge against her at this very moment! The girl accused of doing most of the beating is a 14 year old, the victim is 18...I would be embarressed myself to admit a 14 yr old kicked my butt! The victim works at winghouse didn't live with her parents until this came about (they are a loving family now to get money for everyone else) and she is 5 weeks pregnant! Yep, the victim is a role model c