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Democrats' Quest For Mail-In Revote Hits Major Hurdle
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Published: March 12, 2008
Updated: 03/11/2008 11:58 pm
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TAMPA - Florida's Democratic congressional delegation issued a joint statement Tuesday night opposing any revote in the state's presidential primary, throwing what appeared to be a major roadblock in front of the state party's efforts for a mail-in revote.
Earlier Tuesday, the state party appeared to be moving forward with a plan for a mail-in revote.
Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, who has advocated the idea, expected a copy of a proposed plan from state party officials Tuesday evening, a Nelson spokesman said.
The statement from the state's nine U.S. House members came after Nelson invited them to a meeting to answer their questions about the plan. "Our House delegation is opposed to a mail-in campaign or any redo of any kind."
A Nelson spokesman said he couldn't give a reaction Tuesday night without having seen the statement from the House members.
Earlier in the day, Democratic state Senate leader Steve Geller had said there will be a news conference Thursday, presumably to announce the plan. Democrats say they have to submit the plan this week to meet national party deadlines.
Geller also said he planned his own news conference today to disclose "some interesting information I've received that I'm not free to talk about now," about the revote. Party insiders said it was a poll showing about 60 percent of Florida Democrats favor a new vote, but those sources could not provide such details as question wording.
Florida Democratic Party spokesman Mark Bubriski said Tuesday night that the plan is a draft, and doesn't represent a final decision by the party on whether to pursue a mail-in revote.
He characterized the plan as "hypothetical" and said the state party executive committee, the party's main decision-making body, would have to vote on a final decision to propose it to the national party.
Supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton tend to favor a new vote. If the outcome were similar to the Jan. 29 primary, it would benefit the New York senator, who won handily but now trails Obama in the race for delegates to win the nomination.
Clinton backers are not unanimous, and Barack Obama backers, particularly blacks who see a chance to elect the nation's first black president, tend to oppose the idea.
"To me there's an appearance that a candidate is losing" - Clinton - "and now all of a sudden, we're going to have a new election," said former state Sen. Les Miller, a backer of the Illinois senator.
Current county party chairman Mike Steinberg predicted the Obama campaign would go to court to stop the plan. "They're not just going to take this sitting down," he said.
The DNC has said it won't seat a Florida delegation to the national convention based on the Jan. 29 primary - in effect not counting that vote - because it was held too early in violation of party rules.
To choose a delegation that can be seated, the state party must propose a plan for a new vote or caucus that meets DNC approval.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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Posted by ( RobKay ) on March 12, 2008 at 12:57 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Is there any way we can all work to make this the last election using this rediculous outdated deligate voting system and eliminate all future problems by just having a popular vote? If the national democratic party and Howard Dean refuse to count our original votes, every citizen should work to sue them out of existance!!!
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Posted by ( moses56 ) on March 12, 2008 at 2:11 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I think the people in FL. need to look inward towards their leaders who create this mess. They knew the rules! So now you pay the price for breaking them.... Sorry that's why we make rules before the start of the games. Can you imagion changing the rules in football, hocky, or round ball right in the middle of the game, cuase the loosing team decided that were loosing so let change the rules so we can win!!!!!
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Posted by ( RickK ) on March 12, 2008 at 2:14 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
This is great! The best and the brightest of the Democratic Party. Leaders of the state and nation, not to mention the world. And can not even figure out how to vote. If you were in Iraq, Afganistan, Bangladash, whatever, what would you think of the US and democracy now? Leaders of the world can not figure out how to vote! And the three biggest names responsible, Dean, Clinton and Obamma, want to be president of the world (oh, yeah, US). I'll bet people all over the world are asking why they should want to be like us!!!
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But listen! Can you hear it? McCain is quietly out there watching. Making money. Has to be laughing. Forever wondering why anyone would want to vote for a party that can not even figure out how to vote. Dr. Dean did not consider all the options before he made a stupid decision to not count Florida. And just a short time ago he was leading by Democrats to be the next president. What a joke the Democratic Party is. What a joke all those in politics are. And we wonder why nothing gets done, or nothing gets better.
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Now, don't you just hope DO NOTHING Charlie Crist gets to be the next presidents, J. McCain, vice president? I'll buy his train ticket to D.C. Good riddens.
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Posted by ( artbrock ) on March 12, 2008 at 3:15 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Please stop moaning about Howard Dean and the DNC. These rules were agreed to a year and a half before the election. The rules clearly said that no delegates from primaries before the February 5th "Super Tuesday" would be counted except from the 4 states approved for early primaries (IA, NH, SC & NV). Florida leadership, in their arrogance, thought they could break the rules and move the primary up before that date. "They wouldn't possibly not count our delegates, right?"
Sadly, rules are rules. They CANNOT count the delegates without a formal hearing of the Credentials Committee. Howard Dean can't just say, "Just kidding, we've decided to ignore the rules just because Florida is so sunny."
You'll notice in the article above that the Florida elected leaders are doing it AGAIN!! Even though 60% of Floridans want a re-vote, they're saying they'll block it.
Go ahead and try to sue the DNC. They're not liable for anything. This is not an actual election, it is simply candidate selection. If the DNC makes rules that says that they'll select their candidate by drawing straws, or names from a hat, or by counting hairs on their chest, that is the party's right. Voting rights really only apply in the actual election in November 2008. You can always make your own political party and select yourself as a candidate if you don't like this process.
Their only risk in a law suit is if they BREAK THEIR OWN PRE-PUBLISHED RULES. Which is why they cannot count the FL or MI votes.
Please stop pointing the finger and trying to blame Howard Dean or acting like they've wronged Florida and should pay for it. We can hold a primary any time after February 5th and have our delegates be counted.
Or we can wait till June or July and throw ourselves on the mercy of the Credentials Committee and hope that they'll all be willing to risk their political careers with their own constituencies by going out on a limb to count votes from states who blatantly disregarded the candidate selection rules.
Yeah, that sounds like a smart plan.
If you want your votes to count, put your own elected officials feet to the fire, they're the ones who got us into this mess.
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Posted by ( MrSKS1964 ) on March 12, 2008 at 6:46 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
“Osama Borama-Bannana-Cabana-Barokana-Manamina HeHaw-Smith" is nothing more than an arrogant AZZ and if you think that we will see a black male as a president before a white female then the readers of this column are as brainwashed as one can expect. He may lead in the delegate vote, right now, slimly, but he will never make it to the White House unless he is on the coat tails of the great Hillary Clinton. Don’t you all realize that the white majority of this country will never let a black man be voted into presidency, that is why we have delegates and not a popular vote, hello! And, I am not talking about the citizens! I am talking about that select group of "white men" who are already in power with all the money and who already really run this country. Have you all forgotten about the last election this country went through and the Republicans stole that election right in front of our faces? And, like I said, maybe "Osama Borama-Bannana-Cabana-Barokana-Manamina-HeHaw-Smith" is more likely to get a job in Florida as Bucs water boy before he will ever be elected as president. This is not racism, it is fact! How ridiculously stupid can one group of people be? This has been tried before, remember Jesse Jackson, he was suppose to be the first black president and where is he now, on the hate list of the black community. If the black community wants a black man or woman in the white house, they better wake up and realize that, at this point and time, it will never be more than as vice-president. As stated before he may have the delegates of the Democratic Party but he does not have the pull to win the presidency. Heck, I am a registered Democrat and I will not vote for him. He has not mentioned anything about Gay Rights, Women’s Rights, he barely will answer eight questions during press conferences and he just does not have the experience with Foreign Policy. Wake up, Wake up, Wake up, the coffee is brewing, but, unfortunately it is not black!
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Posted by ( Garbanzo ) on March 12, 2008 at 7:48 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
There are two important FACTS here that people are consistanly ignoring. 1. That the voters of Florida/Michigan have been totally disenfranchised through no fault of their own. 2. That the Florida primary election was scheduled by our REPUBLICAN-RUN STATE LEGISLATURE!!
I WANT MY VOTE TO COUNT AND I WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS. Can you imagine the riots that would be happening in the ghettos across the state right now if the situation were the other way around? Funny how Les Miller now says that voters SHOULD BE disenfranchised, right?? He wouldn't be saying that if "Osama Borama-Bannana-Cabana-Barokana-Manamina-HeHaw-Smith" had won the Florida primary! Think about it!
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Posted by ( rckmajs ) on March 12, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I find the hypocrisy in the fact that everyone (voters, Democratic elected officials, DNC and all of the candidates) knew that your vote would not count LONG BEFORE NOW and noone did anything about it. Now suddenly, when The Great Princess is losing to a black man, your vote is important to them. This is the party that champions the minority and receives overwhelming support from them! If the delegate counts were reversed and the Clinton campaign was leading the polls, this discussion would not even be taking place. None of you ever expected "The Great Hillary Clinton" to lose. She is losing however, state after state after state. I'm a Republican and I hate to see her lose because I think she'll be an easier candidate to beat in November but the voters of the Democratic Party are speaking loud and clear all across the country. They're tired of Bush and they're tired of Clintons.
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Posted by ( Tampa610 ) on March 12, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Once again Florida is an election mess. Are we ever going to have a year without some type of voter fraud or disenfranchisement? I want my vote to count. I say "DO OVER."
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Posted by ( jmcbride ) on March 12, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Hey Garbonzo, just to let you know the change in primary voting was proposed by a Dem FL state senator and every single Dem in the state senate voted for it. Sorry to burst your bubble but you cant blame the Rep for everything.
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Posted by ( MrSKS1964 ) on March 12, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Uhhh, Hello, Sorry to burst your bubble jmcbride, but I am a "Dem" and I did not vote for it, I think it should stand the way it is. And, your "Rep" Governor is pushing for it, just as much as any "Dem!" And why wouldn't he, he knows that it is splitting the party. This is not that hard to understand, if the vote stays Hillary wins the primary and probably the presidental vote. New vote causes the DNC to have chaois within the structure and could sway votes, scratch that, will sway votes to the "Rep."
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Posted by ( rickroberts ) on March 12, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I want my vote counted the way it was cast on Jan 29th! Of course, we don't have a Gov Wilder threatening riots at the convention or a Rev Al Sharpton threatening law suits and riots on our behalf, so we'll probably lose this fight. If they do riot, then the National Guard should come out and come down hard on them. This is the United States of America - NOT Kenya or Haiti! Machetes, burning tires, and throwing rocks through windows will not be the way to victory! I have never voted Republican in my life, but if I am disenfranchised this time, this Democrat will vote McCain in the fall!
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Posted by ( cpcp ) on March 12, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
The dems did this to themselves, with their silly, undemocratic rules that were guaranteed to upset anyone who did not want to continue the unnatural placing of Iowa and NH in the first-in-nation caucus/primary spots.
Furthermore, the national parties do not dictate anything to the States. The States have constitutional standing, and their legislatures enact laws that all in their states must obey, regardless of party affiliation. The "rules" decided on by the elites of the parties, however, are mere suggestions to the states.
As a repub, I look forward with glee to further squabbling amongst dems who, variously, insist that the previous primary should count; and those who insist that it should not count at all; and those who want a do-over. I suspect they will go all the way to the convention, the FL and MI delegates will not be seated, and there will be huge protests in those states, resulting in John McCain laughing all the way to the White House!
Yay! This couldn't be a better scenario than if I came up with it!
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Posted by ( MrSKS1964 ) on March 12, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
CPCP, that is the real scenario, you could not be more right. And, as a staunch Democrat for many years, basically because of my sexual orientation, it is becoming harder and harder to support my party. The division within is almost as bad as the split within the gay community. I would actually consider myself a "conservative liberal" but not sure that there is a party affiliation for that. But I have to agree with you; if we keep on with this "BS" we are in for another four years of Republican leadership.
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Posted by ( jm21 ) on March 12, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
This is a democracy--it is not a football or a hockey game, and this "rules are rules" logic does not apply. Florida Democrats are entitled to have their votes counted, and the only fair way to make that happen is to have a revote. Yes, this is a mess, and yes it could and should have been prevented. But it wasn't and here we are. Do we really want a nominee who won because millions of voters in Florida and Michigan were undemocratically (and possibly unconstitutionally) shut out of the process? Do we really want lawsuits over this? A revote is simply the right thing to do.
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Posted by ( StormVet90 ) on March 12, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Another election in Florida...another mess. Really, we should just not be allowed to vote or better yet...put the state on "voter probation" until we can get it right! LOL!! Once again the laughing stock of the U.S. Way to go people.
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Posted by ( rckmajs ) on March 12, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
If she loses the nomination, she could always run as an independent. :) After all that Bush has done to screw this country up, and all of your elite intelligence and superior knowledge, you guys still can't get it done. Amazing!
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Posted by ( Snow_Bird_Steve ) on March 12, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I don't think an independent run would do anything but guarantee a McCain victory.
What did the DNC expect when they chose Howard Dean as National Chairman. Seems like the Democratic Party finds a way to self destruct every four years.
To the Obama supporters, I wonder when all the negative things written about Obama (Including articles on RealClearPolitics.com where I found this one) will come out. I hope it is before the next primaries/caucuses. For example see http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/how_does_obama_feel_about_amer.html. McCain will have a field day with that one.
Also check out the columnists on creators.com. Both sites have many articles both pro and con each candidate. I find reading them gives a clearer picture than I can get in the slanted broadcast media.
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Posted by ( hank48188 ) on March 12, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
The TAXPAYERS of Michigan and Florida PAY for these primaries, both political parties should be thankful to the States for incurring these expenses but should have NO VOICE in deciding the date of the primary, all decisions should be made by the States. If the DEMS wish to run their own contests and pay for them they can make all decisions on how they're run, until that happens Howard Dean and the DNC should mind their own business.
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Posted by ( workingstiff ) on March 12, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I have news for you dems crying about your impotent vote. The rules of your party are set up so that your votes are meaningless anyway. The superdelegates can vote anyway they see fit because your party does not trust your vote. Im loving this.
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Posted by ( GentDave ) on March 12, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Everyone should calm down. There is very little chance that the delegates will not be seated before the first vote. Early in June, when the last primary is done, the super delegates will make up their mind, select a candidate, and/or push for a joint ticket. The super-delegates know how FL voted; they won't leave that out of the equation. Once the candidate is picked, that candidate will have their delegates on the committee vote to seat FL. The only way FL delegates would not be seated before the first vote is if the superdelagates refused to decide. They'd have to be dedicated to party suicide, if they did that. That would leave it up to the 4000+ delegates at the convention who would all be free to vote for whomever they wanted at that point. Be thankful we don't have a 3 way race. Then there would be no choice on the first vote, and FL really would be disenfranchised. As it is, we'll know the choice of the remaining superdelagates in June, and the winner win seat FL. And hopefully this will have taught everyone a lesson, and we won't have this problem in 2012.
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Posted by ( Major7th ) on March 12, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
In Florida the primary election date was voted in by LAW. I really could care less what the DNC little rule book says. Either take the delegates by the election already held, or just make sure that NO Democrats are on the Florida Ballot.
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Posted by ( rickroberts ) on March 12, 2008 at 1:33 p.m.
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Posted by ( DarthRandall ) on March 12, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
The "Major Hurdle"? Common sense......
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Posted by ( cadillacman ) on March 12, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
IF THE STATE CITY COUNTY OR FED GOVT SPENDS ONE CENT ON THIS I AM GOING TO SUE
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Posted by ( Astounded_by_idiots ) on March 12, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I bet you if Hitlery wasn't losing this wouldn't even be an issue. Pathetic, just pathetic.
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Posted by ( tobereal ) on March 12, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I have been a lifelong believer in the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s colorblind dream, but Obama seems to want the nomination handed to him because he is black, and that contradicts the dream. Otherwise he would support a redo in Florida. Frankly I think the Florida results should count as is- they were all on the ballot, Obama even cheated and ran national ads that aired in Florida and still got trounced. I have said all along that the disfranchisement of Florida and Michigan amounts to a "corrupt bargain" between Chairperson Dean and Obama. Allowing Nevada and South Carolina to move up the calendar always seemed overly exceptional and arbitrary. A Democrat almost certainly will not win either state in the fall. What is the harm of letting two states a Democrat could win move up? I don't think it is a coincidence that these two states happen to be two of Clinton's strongest. Again, corrupt bargain. I don't see how Obama can make his case of electability to the superdelegates based on disfranchisement of Florida and Michigan. For Obama to oppose even a revote shows how crooked a politician he is. What a sempering coward. He is unelectable and Sen. Clinton is our strongest candidate. If South Carolina and Illinois had been disfranchised, he would be screaming bloddy murder. Similarly if he had been leading in the polls in Michigan and Florida, he would have left his name on the ballot in Michigan and argued against disfranchisement there and in Florida, voiding the corrupt bargain. If he had won in these states they probably would have been accepted; if not again he would be screaming bloody murder. Blacks have been good to the Democratic party because the party has been good to them. The party doesn't owe a single black man their nomination simply because of his/her color. Black people would benefit greatly from Sen. Clinton's progressive platform issues of universal health coverage, expiring the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy in order to create a dynamic economy with millions of jobs. If the blacks push Obama on the country based on color they will suffer a backlash of racism. Even on the war Obama has steadily backed off his speech in '02 (that he doesn't quote or campaign on at all). Sen. Clinton has pressed the Penagon five times to Obama's one for an exit strategy, and four straight times to his none. For Obama to oppose even a revote in Florida has cost him waht little respect I had for him. He would be better suited in the Republican party where they seem to like disfranchisement.
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Posted by ( jmcbride ) on March 12, 2008 at 5:02 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Correction MrSKS1964, all dem state senators, not every single dem in the state. Also, just to let you know, i am not a republican.
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Posted by ( zteam55 ) on March 12, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
How do you spell disenfranchised anyway? It's fabulous to watch the national democrats disenfranchise their own democrat florida voters. And since when did democrats concern themselves with "rules" anyway ? Seems to me they make them up as they go along. I refer you to the state supreme court in 2000 for example during "vote gate".
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Posted by ( GentDave ) on March 12, 2008 at 6:39 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Tobereal, I don't think Obama's campaign is opposed to a re-vote in Florida. They are skeptical of a mail-in, because it hasn't been done, and would probably be screwed-up. I agree. Personally I'd like to see a re-vote, if they can pull it off. Clinton would still win, although probably by less if they campaigned, since that has been that pattern. He reduces her vote as his ads move into a state. If they can't do a re-vote it probably will not be a disaster anyway. We'll probably know the nominee in June (see my post above). I've also seen nothing from the Obama campaign that makes me think he believes he should win "because" he is black. Now, when 90% of blacks are voting for him, that might mean that they feel that way, but that can't be attributed to him. Another point, I wouldn't count out Nevada or South Carolina if Obama is the nominee. SUSA's poll shows him winning Nevada by more than the margin of error, and this state is trending Dem. In South Carolina Obama would also be competitive, and might at least force the Republicans to spend money there. Next point - It is highly unlikely in the extreme that Dean somehow was planning to harm the Clinton campaign something like 2 years ago. He tried to get them to find some other solution last year. And, yes, maybe the system is stupid, but that does not mean people should break the rules. They should work within the system to change the rules. Another point - I don't know why you see Obama as unelectable when he matches up against McCain better in the polls. In addition, the states where Obama is stronger than Clinton are the states where the Democrats are looking to expand. All 8 of the Senate seats the Dems will be trying serious to pick-up are Obama states. Hillary would only help in holding on to Louisiana. She is stronger in old Dem areas where they are losing ground. He is stronger in areas where the Dems have been making gains. Finally, while there might be arguments for raising taxes in order to do more things, I don't see how raising taxes creates jobs.
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Posted by ( mrstratz ) on March 12, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
If the whole voting thing wasn't messed up it wouldn't be Florida. This is the norm, get used to it. How in hell does anybody think they can do a mail-in ballot. They can,t do punch cards or touch screens. Please save what dignity we have left, insist NO DO-OVER. Take your lumps Dems, and wait til 2012 and maybe Pam Iorrio will be in the race.
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Posted by ( erj3 ) on March 13, 2008 at 6:47 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
These Democrats show us why the should NOT be elected. These Democrats are being LAUGHED at now. No brained Democrats can't even figure out that 2 fewer states means fewer electorates. Bright Democrats, This is why they will NOT be elected. Democrats=Laugh Factory say Hi to SPITZER, another fine DEMOCRAT.
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Posted by ( signit4bes ) on March 13, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
MRSTRATZ...2012? Yeah, right about when the Riverwalk is completed.
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Posted by ( signit4bes ) on March 13, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
You'd better believe Howard Dean is screaming now!
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Posted by ( Craig328 ) on March 13, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Sweet Jebus. Didn't we do this same dumbas$ shiat back in 2000 with Gore? Didn't Dem leaders learn anyfrom that debacle? Why do I ask rhetorical questions?
At least this time round there is no idiocy going on with butterfly ballots, having supporters too stupid to read the ballot instructions, or too anemic to push a barely capable punch through a mighty, perforated card (although people in those same places, punching the same ballots but who voted Republican didn't seem to have that problem). No, this time the Dems inability is centered on their leadership. Once again, rules were in place before the event, the event doesn't go the Democrats' way, they cry and whine and threaten to sue. Tell me again what qualities they exhibit that should encourage people to think they can run the country...I seem to have forgotten.
I can't imagine being stupid enough to proudly claim to be a Democrat in Florida...or anywhere else for that matter.
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Posted by ( dogworld ) on March 13, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
If our politicians can't get it together at the primary level, how are they going to turn the country back on track?
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Posted by ( alashley ) on March 13, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
This would be a non-issue if Obama were not Obama.
Funny how we send observers the world over to monitor the elections of other countries, yet we don't seem to be able to get it right here. Where are the foreign observers? Russia should send a delegation immediately to insure fairness in this matter.
Truly amusing!!
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Posted by ( dogworld ) on March 13, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
( workingstiff )
I have news for you dems crying about your impotent vote. The rules of your party are set up so that your votes are meaningless anyway. The superdelegates can vote anyway they see fit because your party does not trust your vote. Im loving this.
Are you also loving the way the Repubs committed hara kari by following Bush over the cliff? Admit it -- neither one is worth following.
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Posted by ( summerhawk ) on March 13, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
If the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic candidates have SNAFU'd the primary election process so far this badly, do we really want them running this Country using the same mentality. I'd vote Republican in the Presidential election just to show my contempt for their childishness and stupidity.
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Posted by ( NOTAFAN ) on March 13, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
The Republican-held State House, State Senate, & Governors office SCREW Democrats AGAIN!!
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Posted by ( cadillacman ) on March 13, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
no the state did not screw democrats...u screwed yourselfs...democRATS
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Posted by ( dogworld ) on March 13, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Yeah, name calling and other childish epithets...that's what you get from Republicans, especially when we're stewing in the mess they've made of this country right now.
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Posted by ( cadillacman ) on March 13, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
oh... u must mean when gore invented the internet and the lies about the surplus then the tech stocks crashed....oh .....u must mean when slickwille could of got osama but instead did'nt have sexualrelations with that women oh......sorry i forgot....ohu must mean when clinton has deployed more troops than any other president.....oh....i forgot u are and idiot
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Posted by ( cadillacman ) on March 13, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
lets not forget slickwillys first term when he appointed hilary to revamp the health care system.........how well that worked and cost how much?????? we are all to blame for the profit taking in the housing market....
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Posted by ( rikki1617 ) on March 13, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
The people voted! Let it stand! We weren't included on the decision to change the date, but we still showed up for the vote! We made our decision. Let it stand!
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Posted by ( cadillacman ) on March 13, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
to..(notafan) and (dogworld) how is this the republicans fault??? this is the democrat primary ......you guys(dems)ran it..screwed it up like clinton did the country
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Posted by ( cadillacman ) on March 13, 2008 at 8:17 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
no revote let mr. hilary clinton have it the super delagates will vote how they want anyway i'm just glad they are screwing themselfs instead of the country.............vote for anybody but her...tired or the bush's and clinton's......go obama and john
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