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Published: March 13, 2008
TAMPA - The state Democratic Party continued to move toward setting a mail-in revote in its presidential primary, as a vehement public debate involving both campaigns and most top state party leaders erupted Wednesday.
Late Wednesday, state party chairwoman Karen Thurman sent a 5-page draft of a plan to state party leaders, as well as to Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean.
"It is the only option that has been presented to me that offers Florida voters a voice in the nominating process," Thurman said, asking for their opinions by the end of the day Friday. "The party cannot and will not move forward without your support."
Some state party leaders, plus Clinton and many but not all of her supporters, argued earlier in the day that a mail-in revote is the only acceptable option if Florida's national convention delegation can't be seated based on the Jan. 29 primary.
Obama and most of his partisans argued that a mail-in vote would be unfair and infeasible.
They got support in a unanimous statement Tuesday night by the nine Florida Democrats in the U.S. House, who include four Clinton supporters. That put them on the opposite side of the issue from the state's senior Democratic elected official, Sen. Bill Nelson, also a Clinton backer.
State party leaders, meanwhile, released a poll Wednesday that showed 59 percent of state Democrats favoring a revote.
Another finding, which pollster Jim Kitchens called "stunning," was that a quarter of the respondents - all Democrats who voted in the Jan. 29 primary - said they were upset enough over the issue to consider not voting or voting Republican in November's presidential race.
Kitchens said that could spell trouble for a Democratic candidate in Florida.
Democratic state Senate Leader Steve Geller said the poll provided the "moral authority" for the party to move ahead with its plans.
The state party continued to bring those plans closer to concrete form Wednesday, even though spokesman Mark Bubriski said no decision has been made about whether to implement it.
Party leaders have said the plan has to be sent to the national Democratic Party today to accommodate time constraints involved in approval of the plan and holding the election.
Asked whether the congressional statement would halt the process, Bubriski called it a "serious concern," but said he hopes the Congress members will consider the plan when it's complete.
'Most Practical And Fair'
Nelson, the leading advocate of a revote, emphasized that he would prefer to see Florida's national convention delegates seated based on the Jan. 29 primary, but that a lawsuit he filed to achieve that failed.
A mail vote is now "the most practical and fair way to let Florida voters have a full say in the selection of their Democratic nominee," he said.
"If anyone has another way of accomplishing this ... it needs to be put on the table - and now, before it's too late."
The Democratic National Committee has said it won't seat Florida delegates at the national convention - in effect not counting the state's Jan. 29 primary vote, which allocated those delegates - because the too-early vote broke party rules.
The DNC also penalized Michigan, which voted Jan. 15.
Florida delegates could be seated if they were chosen under a new vote held now.
Clinton, who won both states' primaries and would gain a 38-delegate advantage if the Florida result was counted, sent a letter to the Obama campaign Wednesday saying the campaigns should agree on a way to resolve the issue.
"We think the results of those primaries were fair and should be honored," she said. "There are two options: Either honor the results or hold new primary elections."
Obama repeatedly has rejected honoring the results, saying they weren't fair because all the major candidates except Clinton withdrew their names from the Michigan ballot, and that all the candidates pledged not to campaign in Florida.
In the poll of 600 Democratic primary voters, with a 4-point error margin, 59 percent said they favored a revote paid for by the party, while 35 percent said the current delegation should go to the convention and seek to be seated.
Asked whether the situation would affect their votes if it weren't resolved, 63 percent said no.
But 14 percent said they would consider voting Republican, 11 percent said they might not vote or might skip the presidential race, and 12 percent said they weren't sure.
"That's the base" of the party's support, Kitchens said. "It's a stunning finding."
Geller, who said he hasn't taken sides in the race, said he was worried about whether the state party had the "moral authority" to "order an election redo to satisfy the demands from the DNC in Washington. "This poll finally answers my question."
Geller said he hopes once the congressional members are fully briefed on the final plan, "they will not have the same opposition."
House Delegation Opposes Redo
The brief statement from the House delegation, e-mailed to reporters just after 10 p.m. Tuesday, didn't give reasons, but suggested details of the plan don't matter: "Our House delegation is opposed to a mail-in campaign or any redo of any kind."
Four members - Corinne Brown of Jacksonville, Alcee Hastings of Miramar, Kendrick Meek of Miami and Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Weston - back Clinton.
Kathy Castor of Tampa and Robert Wexler of Boca Raton back Obama. Allen Boyd of Monticello, Ron Klein of Boca Raton and Tim Mahoney of Palm Beach Gardens are uncommitted.
Wasserman Schultz said Wednesday one of her main concerns about a mail vote would be winter visitors and poor people, who change addresses often.
"The chances of their ballot finding them are much smaller," she said, creating unfairness.
She denied that she's siding against Clinton on the issue.
"There may be other ways to reach consensus and get to what we all agree on," she said.
Democrats have a June 10 deadline to choose delegates to the national convention in late August.
The Florida Democrats' plan estimates the cost to be $10 million to $12 million, depending on the fees charged by the accounting firm hired by the party to supervise the vote.
According to the plan, ballot-counting day would be June 3. Ballots for Florida residents would go out May 9, while overseas military ballots would be mailed on April 19.
Voters could get information, replacement ballots, vote in person or drop off ballots at 50 temporary regional election offices that will be set up in disadvantaged communities throughout the state.
Ballots can't be forwarded to voters whose addresses have changed, but if a ballot was returned, the voter would be sent a postcard with a request for forwarding, and instructions to call a telephone hot line, the plan says.
Besides the hot line, there would be a Web site to provide help, and probably about 50 sites for in-person voting.
Bubriski said the party hasn't sought donors yet, but has received offers of financial contributions from Clinton and Obama backers.
Reporter Russell Ray contributed to this report. Reporter William March can be reached at (813) 259-7761 or wmarch@tampatrib.com.
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Posted by ( Dolphin68 ) on March 13, 2008 at 8:08 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Well, it appears that a re-vote might be happening. All you independents out there should contact the Supervisor of Elections office and change your party affiliation if you want to be part of this. I suggest doing this immediately and make sure your correct address is on file. The website is http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections
When you get this site, pick the county you live in and go from there. It is imperative that you contact this office (like yesterday) because there is a time limit involved if you want your vote to be counted. GO HILLARY 08
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Posted by ( GF ) on March 13, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Another Florida voting debacle in the making.
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Posted by ( rckmajs ) on March 13, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Rules, Rules, Rules! Bend 'em, Break 'em, Get a judge to change 'em, we don't care how you win, just win!!!
Go Hitlery08!!! You will run the country with integrity AFTER the election...wont you? Go Hitlery08!
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Posted by ( tampaguy69 ) on March 13, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Can we re-vote the 2000 election while we are at it? lol.
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Posted by ( retired2010 ) on March 13, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Hey we voted back in Jan, take it or leave it, stop shopping !! Lets get on with bringing down the cost of gas/insurance something that has a higher priority. When voting they should have entry NONE OF THE ABOVE
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Posted by ( Snot_Funny ) on March 13, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Dolphin, I'm sure you won't mind me reposting your info with a minor change. It IS important info, after all...
"Well, it appears that a re-vote might be happening. All you independents out there should contact the Supervisor of Elections office and change your party affiliation if you want to be part of this. I suggest doing this immediately and make sure your correct address is on file. The website is http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections
When you get this site, pick the county you live in and go from there. It is imperative that you contact this office (like yesterday) because there is a time limit involved if you want your vote to be counted."
GO OBAMA 08!!!
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Posted by ( Dolphin68 ) on March 13, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Hey Snot. Everyone has a right to their vote and/or opinion. Sorry to see that you couldn't come up with anything original yourself.
GO HILLARY 08!!!
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Posted by ( IREADER ) on March 13, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
KAREN THURMAN AND JOHN "THE QUACK" DEAN ARE MORONS!!!!!
I'm a card-carrying Democrat. I'm changing to Independent. The dems don't know which end of the donkey should go first!
Thurman and Dean both, should be forced from their chair positions within the democratic party.
THANKS FOR LEAVING US FOLKS IN FLORIDA OUT OF "YOUR" NOMINATION PROCESS!
Guess you don't need us next November.
Even if ANOTHER vote is held, look at the wasted millions of dollars. Is that what we can expect from the leadership?
It's like John Kerry, "I was for it before I was against it!!!"
ABSOLUTE STUPIDITY!!!!!!!!!
John Dean and the rules committee wanted to punish Florida. They did. Now, John Dean wants Florida to come up with a solution to the your-vote-don't-count primary. Thurman is the picture of ineptitude.
DID I SAY, "ABSOLUTE STUPIDITY!!!???"
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Posted by ( Mitchell2978 ) on March 13, 2008 at 7:14 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I agree on a re-vote. I want my vote to count. As an American I have that right.
Go Hilary 08!!
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Posted by ( Roger1047 ) on March 13, 2008 at 9:34 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Can't Florida do anything right - here we go again with the hanging chad...crap. There is no way to do this without it being wide open for fraud. Why do you think GOP Crist is backing it... people would be stupid to accept this idea. Hillary was against it until it looked like she might be losing... Just live with it and vote in Nov.
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Posted by ( Roger1047 ) on March 13, 2008 at 9:44 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I've pretty much voted Dem all my life... can't bring myself to vote GOP because they have screwed over the working man every time... Now they have McCain (Bush-Lite)... Samo samo. But I will agree - the DNC power brokers are screwed up... It's time to go to a one man one vote system.. Do away with delegates and especially super delegates. If I can pay my bills online I sure as heck should be able to vote online ... everyone should vote across the US on one day... anyone got the money to start a national petition drive to change the way we hold elections?
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